Choose one of the following to write about. This is due on Monday, May 5th.
º Compare and contrast Hester Prynne to Elizabeth Proctor.
º Compare and contrast Rev. Dimmesdale to Rev. Parris.
º "Rules are necessary to maintain Order." How was this important in The Crucible and The Scarlet Letter?
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º "Rules are necessary to maintain Order." How was this important in The Crucible and The Scarlet Letter?
The necesity of a strict organization is, undoubtedly, the crux of both stories. The prohibiton of: the usage of objects unknown to the puritan culture (such as a bath tub), adultery, and everything related to freedom of worship, wich was many times confused with witchcraft; led to conflict, helping to develop the plot. All these rules, between others, are supported under the guidance of the church, source of power in that time’s society. This is how ‘Theocracy’, as a government system, was created.
Rules and order, acquire relevance from the beginning. In the case of ‘The Crucible’, this first sign of a “strucutured society” is presented when Parris, does not want to belive that her daughter, Betty, was a target for witchcraft; also done to maintain his reputation. As far as the story of ‘The Scarlet Letter’ is concerned, this is shown through the first encounter between Hester Prynne and the town’s aristocracy, who warned her that working on holy days was not permitted.
A quote from “The crucible”, stated by Reverend Hale, which says: “Theology, sir, is a fortress; no crack in a fortress may be accounted small.”, refers to the haste and ferver which were taken to the which hunt. Any sign of witchcraft, no matter how minute or loosely proven, was done away with. This was because everyone feared anything that was even a small crack in their “fortress”, that was religion. This is how a very important concept, related to the topic, may be introduced; which is: the fear of the unknown, and at the same time, fear of religion itself. In order to be good serfs of God, Puritans had to be very careful in the way they acted, which unleashed a total repression, questioned in the trials, where a lot of people were condemned to death, and usually hanged.
To conclude, I think that not only rules, but society istelf, acts as the most indispensable part of the plots in both: “The Crucible” and “The Scarlet Letter”. The reader will encounter that the two Puritan societies, are very much alike; showing how deeply religious the Puritans were. Superstition and the strict ways of the people, were the two factors that had the most effect. And this is why many unnecessary deaths and punishments occurred. Comparing the Puritan society to real life society, you can easily see how it can have an effect on people; either a positive or negative effect, but always a lasting one.
"Rules are necessary to maintain Order." How was this important in The Crucible and The Scarlet Letter?
In both stories the characters where part of a society,which has plenty of rules,and the most important was the prohibicion to award the unknown.They consider that everything they do not know was bad and dangerous.
In that time the puritan church was the one institute which has more power.Every single rule was related with religion and if they broke them, they could be executed.
If we analice the story of "The Crucible" we can see that witchcraft was the main theme;and this cause lost of problems to the society;many innocent people was executed and because of that many families where destroyed.
The main theme in "The Scarlet Letter"was adultery,also this cause losts of problems and the responsables for this(Hester Pryne and Rev. Dimmesdale)couldn't live in peace until they confessed what they did.
Rules are necessary to mantein orden.If you are part of a society with that kind of religion, in which there are stricts rules ,you have to respect them because you can affect others.There is no other way.
º Compare and contrast Hester Prynne to Elizabeth Proctor.
In both stories, neither The Scarlet Letter nor The Crucible, shows us a structured Puritan’s society where the society itself is governed by the church. Everything that is going on in the town is all measured between faith and sin. Sin is part of everyday life, and in both stories, adultery is committed. In the novel, the main character Hester Prynne commits the sin whereas in the play, Elizabeth Proctor’s husband does it. Both characters are stuck in a trap of forbidden love and lust in which they have to maim and fight for their life.
Hester Prynne is the woman who wears the scarlet letter; she suffers the public humiliation of having to wear the letter “A”, a symbol of shame and unspoken torture, on her chest. She is the mother of Pearl and wife of Chillingworth, but Arthur Dimmesdale is Pearl’s father. The pregnancy gives away her secret affair, however, the public does not know really who the father was. Although Hester loves Pearl very much, Pearl is a curse, the living personification of the scarlet letter, and just as much of a torture as the symbol upon her breast. Hester does not only suffer from the child, but she is also the object of scorn and ridicule among the town’s people. She can’t go anywhere without the people shrinking away from her; the town magistrates use her as an example in their sermons when they talk about sin, making her impossible to go to church; so she is totally alone, no husband, no friends, no lover and no “god”. Hester suffers throughout the whole story alone up to the end, when Dimmesdale finally admits the relationship. She is a brave, confident and strong-willed woman; she faces all the conflicts alone and takes the responsibility and the consequences of the affair. From her sin, Hester begins to realize the inequalities within the Puritan society.
Elizabeth Proctor is portrayed in the play as a very correct woman, with principles and she is a good Christian; behind the description of Abigail as a cold and sniveling woman. Her coldness towards John (her husband), is due to the affair between John and Abigail. Even though Proctor has remained faithful for the past seven months and is truly sorry for his affair, Elizabeth faces difficulty in moving beyond the past. Tension and mutual frustration define their relationship. Elizabeth is frustrated with Proctor because of his initial infidelity and because she believes that he still has feelings for Abigail. Elizabeth tries to demonstrate her faith in Proctor when she asks him about the trip to Salem but the fact that he had spent time alone with Abigail shattered Elizabeth’s confidence in him; she is angry because he hadn’t told her from the beginning. Proctor, from his side, he would like to strengthen their marriage, but he does not know how to deal with Elizabeth’s feelings or the distance between them. At the end, when Elizabeth is accused of witchcraft and the fact that Proctor defends her and confesses his affair with Abigail to save her, plus the action of Elizabeth denying the affair to protect John’s reputation; we can see that there is still true love between them.
To sum up, I would say that both cases are very much alike, the commitment of adultery and the break out of the Christian’s commandment, the innocence of the society and the private vengeance behind the truth; as well as this, there are also some differences as the relationship of the affair, the person of the couple who commits the sin. Although both cases are similar, but one of the main points that both authors wants to show us is that true love can defeat the society’s beliefs.
I choose option 1
In both stories there is a structured Puritan’s society where society life centers around the church.In both stories the main sin (for puritans) are of great importance. In both stories one of the most important sin done is adultery. In the novel Hester Prynne commits the sin while in the play Elizabeth Proctor’s husband does it.
Hester Prynne is the woman who wears the scarlet letter and because of this she suffers the public humiliation of having to wear this symbol of adultery.She has a daughter called Pearl and a husband called Chillingworth, but Reverend Arthur Dimmesdale is actually Pearl’s father.Because of Prynne`s affair with Reverend Dimmesdale she gets pregnant of Pearl,who will be seen as a bastard kid.because of this everyone in the town see her with despect and she also is not admitted in church as she she is taken as a bad example.Finally we can see that she is totally alone,without anybody or anything that can help her.This torture goes on until the end of the story,when finally Dimmesdale reveal their relationship. She is seen as a confident and brave woman always as she faces all the conflicts without help and accept that she has had an affair.
In the play Elizabeth Proctor is known as a good,honest and a Christian person by most of the society,except for Abigail which want to see her dead.The bad relation between Elizabeth and her husband(John Proctor) is a result from the affair between John and Abigail. Even thought this affair (in the play) had taken place seven months ago,the relation is not quite the same as before. Because of this their relationship becomes covered by a mist of tension ,coldness and resentment(from Elizabeth towards John) as one tries to hide something that the other one already knows. As Elizabeth tries to make John say the truth about his affair so she can prove ,to herself, that she has been right, Proctor tries to strengthen their marriage but he does not know how to manage things in this situation. At the end of the play ,Elizabeth is accused of witchcraft.Because of this Proctor defends her and confesses that he have had an affair with Abigail in order to save his beloved wife.But everything gets more complicated when Elizabeth deny the affair so John do not cast away his name. This serious of events shows us that there is still true love between John and Elizabeth.
In my opinion I think that both stories are very similar as in both of them is present the commitment of adultery and problems between a man and a woman relationship.Also there are a serious of differences as the relationship of the affair and the difference between the one who is guilty of adultery in the couple. Finally I would say that both texts are similar but the main idea of both of them is that always between a man and a woman,no matters what,there could always be love,either on good or bad times.
Rules are made to be followed, but every rule has it exeption.They are very important to mantein order in any society but sometimes happiness is not reached doing what it is thought to be correct , what it is supposed to be.
In “The crucible” such as in “The scarlet letter”,is presented a puritan society where rules were based on religion, basically on the ten commandments.This rules suppressed personal liberties and considered a sin anything that was unknown, for example going to the woods or dancing naked like in Miller’s novel.In those puritan societies, where the basics were religion and moral values, any disobience to a law or a rule caused a disorder among people.
In the scarltet letter is told the story of a woman who got in love with the reverend of the town. This love was not corresponded because she was married.In order to be happy with the man that she loved, she commited adultery.That caused and scandal in the puritan society where she lived and she was condemded to death only because she was following her feelings.
As said before any society needs rules to exist but in some cases rules has it exeption.
ALEJANDRA HERRERA-.
º "Rules are necessary to maintain Order." How was this important in The Crucible and The Scarlet Letter?
In both stories, the characters are involved in a society in wich rules are strict and verry important.People in this society follow rules no matter whats the ocasion.
For them all what was unknown was bad, dangerous or prohibited, for example, the forest.
All this were sings of a good and well structured society, this was verry important for them because their principal objetive in this new and unknow lands was to start a new society in wich they would be free.
In The Crucible witchcraft is as important as in The Scarlet Letter because, as i already said, all the unknow was to be fierd, in the scarlet letter, at the beggining they thought that all what Hester Prynn did was wrong but at the end, when her husband appeared, everyone changed their minds because of what the sings he mentioned, pointing to witchcraft and making everyone accuse her of it. In the crucible something like this happened with a womans called Elizabeth, but was accused of witchcraft by an 11 years old girl, Abigail Williams, the difference is that in the crucible not only 1 person was accused but a lot of people was involved and hunged, in the scarlet letter only Hester was accused and was about to be hunged when his secret lover showed himself.
Another thing is that in there search of a well structered society religion was verry important as well as the rules given by the bible the most important rule of this 10 was ADULTERY, in both stories the principla problem is caused by adultery, in the crucible this was done by John Proctor with Abigail Williams but in the Scarlet letter this was done by Hester Prynn and reverend Dimmsdale.
This are important characteristics of the puritans, but in actual society people do follow rules but not in a extreme way.
To conclude, in actual society rules are a verry important part of it and they give an order to this world but it doesnt matter what we or other people do there will always be someone who will be against some of them.
º Compare and contrast Hester Prynne to Elizabeth Proctor.
Hester prynne , Elizbeth Proctor , adultery, punishment, both of this women suffered the consecuences of adultery in different ways.
Hester Prynne its a character of the film the Scarlet letter,in this film she lives in a puritan comunity.
Hester who is married to Chillingworth commites a very grave crime at that time,has an affair with the reverend dimmsdale,and che gets pregnant of a baby girl who was called pearl.
Elizabeth proctor commites no crime at all, she has to pay for other people lies and sins.Abigail Williams acuses her of being a witch and she is excarcelated.She was married to Jhon Proctor who in the book had an affair with Abigail Williams,and as the book says, one of the reasons wich leaded on her acusation was that abigail was inlove with Jhon and she thought that,if Abigail died Jhon would be with her.
As i`ve already mentioned both characters suffered a punishment.In Hesters case she had to wear a Red "A" letter over his top wich simbolized adultery and generated hate from the people of the town towards her.In Elizabeths case she tried to defend Jhon and she wouldn`t tell the reason,what she knew was the reason,for abigails accusation, and this almos lead to his hung.
At the end they both survived, with the difference that Hester lived happily and ever after with Reverend Dimmsdale,they runned away with pearl,but Elizabeth had to face Jhons lost,wich didn`t lead to a happy ending aldo she survived.
Hester Prynne was a woman that through the eyes
of the Puritans, was an extreme sinner; she has gone against the Puritan ways,
committing adultery. For this, she must wear a symbol
of shame for the rest of her life.She had an affair with Reverend Dimmesdale while her
husband was thought dead.She got pregnant and had a beautiful girl named pearl.She was an honest woman and with a lot of dignity. She would never confessed who the
father of her child was just to protect him, Dimmesdale had a very important role in the church and was very well known throught the society ;he would probably had been hung if they confesses the true.
Elizabeth Proctor was also an honest woman and a very good cristian.She discovered an affair going on between her husband
and Abigail Williams who was working in her house, and she fired her. Abigal wanted to killed Elizabeth, so she could
be with Proctor because she thought that Proctor still loves her, but things were not like that; Proctor was ashamed
of waht he had done and wanted to be with Elizabeth. As abigail could not killed Proctor´s wife as she wanted,she acussed her
of witchcraft.Tryng to safe his wife, Proctor confesses his affair with Abigail, but Elizabeth didn´t know this and covered this lye to protected Proctor.
We can find that there is a difference between this two character in the way that in the ¨Scarlett Letter¨ Hester was the one that commited the sin and in the case of ¨The Crucible¨ it was Proctor who had the affair with another woman. But we can also
find a lot of
similarities between their personalities.Although Hester commited that sin ,despite this she was an honest person
and she protected the man that she loved such as elizabeth do with Proctor.
º "Rules are necessary to maintain Order." How was this important in The Crucible and The Scarlet Letter?
In, “The Crucible” the strict rules puritans had led to the execution of several innocent people and in “The Scarlet Letter” these rules and puritan’s beliefs were the cause of the discrimination and imprisonment of Hester Prynne who didn’t follow these rules as it was supposed by the puritan society.
In, “The Crucible” the lack of tolerance, the irrational fear for anything they don’t know, like the forests which was still wild territory at the time the puritans got to America, and the idea that anyone that challenged their strict rules and beliefs should be condemned to hellfire, which is how they are raised and why the girls made the accusations because they were afraid of what would happen to them if they didn’t blame somebody else, led to the hunting and killing of many innocent people.
In “The Scarlet Letter” Hester Prynne is discriminated by the society for being ostentatious, for having a bath tube, and she was looked down by the society for not being with her husband and being a woman who lived alone, Hester didn’t liked the way women were considered inferior by the men, and inequality and injustice of the rules which oppressed women, for example the fact that a woman had to wait a certain amount of time to get married again after her husband had died and that a man could get remarried immediately.
To conclude, the two stories show the strict, severe, irrational, unfair and intolerant rules of the puritans who went to America for being persecuted in England during the seventeenth century, which ironically, was the exact thing they did to the people that didn’t follow the rules exactly as they wanted.
Compare Hester Prynne with Elizabeth Proctor
Hester Prynne is the principal character in the movie “A Scarlet Letter”. She is obliged by her father to marry a man she doesn’t love to pay a debt. This fake couple move from Boston to the Puritan society near the forest, where Hester’s husband will fight with the Indians. Because of this, Hester has to do mostly everything by herself, alone. While Prynne’s husband absence, she meets Reverend Dimmesdale, who she falls in love with, and he with her, vice versa. By getting the news that Chillingworth has died, they feel they are able to have relations as a proof of their love, but unfortunately, committing adultery because Roger hasn’t really died, and because, according to the rules, they had to wait like seven years to do it. As a consequence, Mrs Prynne gets pregnant, stating her terrible sin in front of this whole limited society with strict rules related directly with religion.
Mrs Prynne is a very hard working woman, independent, fair and honest. She demonstrates throughout the movie the principles and values she has, and how correct she is, like Elizabeth Proctor in “The Crucible”. Both of these women know that they have rights and they fight for them and mostly for their dignity, and their beloved man’s one. They are very reasonable and both represent the correct figure of a valuable, admirable and respected woman. Other similarity is that they both protect the man they love: Hester, by keeping the name of her child’s father in secret (Reverend Dimmesdale), so that he wasn’t hang, even though she took the risk to be herself hang, and Elizabeth, by not telling the court about John’s affair with Abigail Williams, a servant, because she feared he could be hang for this. They also have to face the puritan's strict rules and situation of that time: being hang if you made a huge mistake that could be considered a major sin, which COULD NOT be accepted. We can see how the sin adultery has to do with each of them: Hester is accomplice of this sin unfaithful to his husband, and she has to face the consequences of her own act, while Elizabeth is victim of John’s affair with another woman, and she suffers the consequences of her husband's dishonesty, his attitude, not hers.
Pregnancy has a different meaning for each of them: for Elizabeth, knowing that she is pregnant saves her from being hang because she knows she won’t be murdered till she gives birth to her baby, while for Hester, getting pregnant is terrible, because this fact makes her suffer a lot, leads her be near death, moves her from home to prison and destructs her total reputation by being obliged to wear the A scarlet letter on her chest all the time to show that she was a sinner, and to make everybody be angry with her, or maybe just to give them some gossip to talk about.
A sad difference is that not both of them get the freedom they deserve by the end of the story: while Hester's fight is worth because she can keep her baby and the man she loves with her, Elizabeth looses her beloved husband in front of her eyes, even though she tried hard, being witness of an injustice when he is hang to death because he shares the truth with the court, being tired of having to hide the reality of the time, where witchery did not exist and the rules that were established those days were nonsense.
As we can see, both women are similar but different too. They lived the Puritan’s Time as an unfair period by the experiences they had to face: Stupid rules, no reasoning, and Sin, reacting with similar attitudes towards it but in different roles.
º "Rules are necessary to maintain Order." How was this important in The Crucible and The Scarlet Letter?
Rules are necessary to mantain order in every society. Without rules, people would do whatever they want, and they wouldn`t probably respect each others. If there were no rules, there would not be order in any society.
In the cases of the film and the book, people live in puritan societies. In these societies, rules were imposed by the church, wich was the most powerful institution.
In "The Crucible", people´s values are seen in their religious beleives. If they do not go to mass, they are considered bad persons. So, they have to follow the rules of their society. As there is a group of girls thst don't follow rhem., people start thinking that they have maken witchcraft. As this people didn´t respect the rules, the society become disorganized, and lots of people died fot this.
In "The Scarlet Letter", there is also a social problem caused by a man and a woman who did not respect the rules. In this case, they commited adultery. Hester Prynne was going to have a baby who wasn´t his husband's daugther. Because of this, all the society started to change, and people did not let her live because she was not part of puritans any more, until she confessed her "crime".
So, if people in societies don´t respects rules, order can´t be mantained.
"Rules are necessary to maintain Order." How was this important in The Crucible and The Scarlet Letter?
Rules are the most important things in any society. They have to be accepted an respected by everyone.Also it is important to teach to those that don`t have access or knowledge of them. Without rules the society is lost, thakns of them the society function
,besides, everything would be a mess.
Related to "The Scarlet letter" and "The crucible" they both were bassed in strict and puritan society`s. Where the church was the main controller,aldo would decide if you can stay or be executed of the place.
On one hand, "The scarlet letter", the theme was adultery, the principal character`s Hester Pryne and Rev. Dimmesdale had and afair and she got pregnant, all in secret.She was discoverd and acussed of witchcraft and was in prison for a long time, afterwards she had to usea big red "A"all the time only to be reject and humiliated in front of all the village.
On the other hand,"The Crucible" was bassed on the idea of witchcraft, and many people were afected because of this problem.Plenty of people loose there lives, the family and many others sufferd a lot.Many people disappointed their religion and also to god.
In conclusion, the only way to support order and respect is my the rules.We all have to respect them so we can live in peace and don`t affect others.
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